There are so many different categories of punk nowadays, that its hard to classify one specific style. Hence, just punk rock. Or is it? Are we slowly killing off the last decade(which was awesome!)of punk? Not that any of this new Emo,Screamo stuff is bad, but there just isn't the abundance of punk bands of late that there once was. Maybe they're all in hibernation, waiting to emerge on the Reunion tour 15 years later. peace~
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Re: punk rock scene- dying or changing?
Thu, October 9, 2003 - 5:52 AMWell. For Me Punk was something more like 2 decades ago. Or more. I guess you could say I am more into proto-punk and 77 Style. And I've seen some of the greats like Black Flag and the Minutemen. But I still say punk is as punk does. And the best bands are still yet to be seen and heard. I'm 38 and still enjoy the occasional hc show.
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So long `n thanx fer all the shoes...
Fri, October 10, 2003 - 5:37 PMhmmm...I would say changing. But thats true of any genre. Electronica has developed so many variations within itself its hard to classify a track anymore. Same with punk, its just that those who are into punk recognize those subtle differences between styles, and for that matter, between bands of that style -- hence greater diversification of music within the scene. For those outside the arena, I doubt they would notice the difference and probably lump everything together in terms of what is popular around the country today -- namely grunge bands and sadly, country, seem to be the new wave of style. One good thing, tho...at least the boy band phenomena are dissappearing. -
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Re: So long `n thanx fer all the shoes...
Sun, January 4, 2004 - 7:43 AMPunk is a spirit. It was here before we labeled it and
called it ours, and punk will be here making authority
nervous long after we're dust.
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Re: punk rock scene- dying or changing?
Mon, January 5, 2004 - 8:59 PMit depends on what you think punk is. my brother thinks Blink-182 is punk. so i guess punk is dead to him. crap like blinkoneeightytwo is the same as boy bands. "Bye-Bye-Bye" by the Backstreet Boys is more hard core than most of the rubbish being passed of as punk nowadays. punk's not dead it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon... -
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Turn the radio off...
Thu, January 8, 2004 - 8:52 AMSomeone found out that the kids of today want to be rebellious as all kids do in every generation. If Punk is synonymous with rebellion than Elvis was the king of punk … before he got fat and od’d! But hey … that is going out like a rock star right?
The difference between 1993 and 2003 was that some jackass got the idea through his head that he can make a pretty penny off of selling this new kind of rebellion. If he toned it down just a bit, and made it more palatable for a wider audience (B-182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte) he could sell albums by the truckload.
Older punk bands (All / Descendents, Bad Religion, MXPX, Rancid) are still evolving their music, and they may well have come to their 2003 sound without any influence at all. Punk may not be dying, but there is no question that it is beginning to permeate into the mainstream music. I still don’t like the radio, but the fact is that I will take a terrible New Found Glory song over a great Back-Street song any day of the week! -
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Mon, January 12, 2004 - 12:15 PMI sorry but I can't tell the difference between new found glory and the back street boys. maybe I'm too old and angry for that kind of music. I don't know; but what I do know is that its not punk what ever it is -
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Fri, January 16, 2004 - 11:01 PMI remember going to shows like Decendents (pre-ALL), Circle Jerks, MDC, X - basic West coast / Bay area bands and thinking "damn I wish I got to see the old school like Black Flag or Dead Kenedys or Sucidal Tendancys before they turnd all metal..."
I think Punk is still going strong. the best shows I went to as a teen were all ages shows, and as I got older It was more bar shows - and the energy level goes down. Lets face it - the teens got the power. Adults suck. We just cant aford the fuck off attitude (though some so of us try).
The local teen center herre in Santa Fe has some kick ass, young, local punk rock that is as good as any I heard "back in the day"
When is the last time you went to an all ages show?
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Thu, January 15, 2004 - 6:14 AMMXPX and Rancid are not "older punk bands." That's new school. And while I actually like some MXPX, they aren't any more punk than Blink 182. -
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Fri, February 6, 2004 - 1:15 PMPoint made mike-o. I would make the case that there is something that occured in the last 3 or 4 years that puts a barrier up. I feel there isa true difference between the groups that put out first albums after 2000 and groups that were working on album 5 , 6, or 7. I'm not so sure it has anything to do with the bands, and more to do with the marketing of it all.
I do conceeed that Rancid is newer than Op Ivy, and that MXPX Members were born in the late 70's just like me. But throw me a bone here that there is something very different between them and the teen pop punk crap that is all over the airwaves. -
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Fri, February 6, 2004 - 3:23 PMGive it a couple decades Randy and you'll see. -
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Re: Turn the radio off...
Fri, February 13, 2004 - 1:42 PMNope, sorry. MxPx is Blink-182 is The Offspring, etc etc etc. There is no difference AT ALL.
Rancid would be good if they would have quit after Let's Go. But then they became a big bag of suck pop ska wannabe crap. However, they do put out some halfway decent bands on their label.
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Re: punk rock scene- dying or changing?
Sun, February 29, 2004 - 8:47 PMFor me most of the scene was ion the early 80s and just prior. Where I grew up there was a healthy and vibrant scene well into the late 80s. What destroyed a lot of it for me was the random violence that seemed to befall it over that time. I am not really saying that it was ever the most peaceful of movements but it did, at least in the early days, seem to pull in genuinely disaffected but interesting people.
As to modern punk, I will admit to not listening to much but it seems mostly overproduced and bland. There seems to be a lack of genuine fire in the music or the lyrics. Maybe that is just me -
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Re: punk rock scene- dying or changing?
Sun, March 30, 2008 - 5:59 PMI have grown into some of the music and ideas that were over my head as a teenager. I was heavily influenced by CRASS and am so glad to see the STRATFORD MERCENARIES still kicking it. Steve Ignorant is the shit , and Vi Subversa, Eve Libertine changed my life.
I live out on an organic farm, and don't see anything punk about the urban stereotypes associated with punk. But it took CRASS and the experience of the Dial House to make us see that being punk was not about fashion or fads.They started to play clad in only black jumpsuits to protest the styles and fashions that had become their own traps. Punk was about ideas and doing shit by yourself, I see the seeds of punk in the music of NWA. and other rappers who joined with the predominantly white movement in a general switching of loyalties away from country or leader to neighborhood, gang or region. Atlanta's dirty south movement is as punk as it gets; self promoted music that never passes through the gleaming halls of EMI or Warner Brothers.
Johnny Lydon said a few years back "Punk won the war" "we see that superficiality has taken over the entire culture". Brittany's latest train wreck could be stitched together with safety pins..Sid would have loved this shit.
Listen to some old Crass or Poison Girls and see that it was decades ahead of it's time, they were dealing with issues back then that were above my simplistic teenage views, now I fucking get it, at 43.
I love some new bands and try not to get into pigeonholing music. I love Gogol Bordello and think they are pushing the envelope and still promoting freedom of expression. Henry, and Jello are still my heroes, neither sold out and they are still doing their things.
Karen Crisis and Angela of Arch Enemy have carried on the female edge of punk, Angela's song "taking back my soul" is supposedly "metal" but I think it is the "punkest" thing I've heard in years. The lines between metal and punk have blurred and ... why not? I can enjoy the pre-Christian Wagnerian operatics of the Norwegian metal scene and don't worry anymore that it is not the "correct" genre.
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